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FC6 - intel 82865G chipset - ASRock 775i65G


hi guys,  trying to install FC6, but, when booting it goes to a blank screen  without reporting an error (it hangs trying to start the HAL daemon and/or the smartd daemon)    i boot the computer using level 3 (got the "grub", edit the fedora cmd, edit the kernel line and changed to level 3, and boot option), and i have done the "lspci -v" linecommand as a root user ... and i got sommething i don't like:    - VGA compatible controller. Intel incoprporation 82865G integrated graphics controller (rev 02).  subsystem: ASRock Incorporation unknown device 2572    - Host Bridge. Intel incoprporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface.  subsystem: ASRock Incorporation unknown device 2570    what means that the intel chiset 82865G is "unknown", isn't it ?  this chipset is included in a ASRock 775i65G motherboard.    startx works, an the internet connection is able, but, after 5 minutes, the computer didn't answer anymore and i have to reboot it.    what do i have to do ???      (iam installing FC6 64 bits, i have a processor intel pentium D 3.4 Gb, the mother board is ASRock 775 i65G, 1 SATA hard disk and 1 IDE hard disk. SMART option as well as the SATA hard disk are disabled in the BIOS.)    please see details of configuration in this thread:     http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=519452

You may want to disable acpi during the boot process. Add the following to the end 'kernel' section of the /boot/grub/menu.lst file:  kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet noacpi nolacpi apm=off  This will turn off power management which is very flaky in Linux and causes hang-ups. You may also want to disable power management in the BIOS and disable any other devices that you may not use, like the Parallel port LPT1. It helps to have as many IRQ's open as possible.

lspci -v    - VGA compatible controller. Intel incoprporation 82865G integrated graphics controller (rev 02).  subsystem: ASRock Incorporation unknown device 2572    - Host Bridge. Intel incoprporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface.  subsystem: ASRock Incorporation unknown device 2570    how can i solve these "unknown device" problems ?    after turning off the power management my PC continuous with booting problem (goes to a blank screen and sleeps ;(      thanks,  hector

Try booting with the latest Knoppix 5.1 from a CD. If Knoppix comes up then you can better narrow down where the problem is coming from. Let me know if you are able to get Linux running using the Knoppix LiveCD and we'll take it from there.

hi Ram,  i am downloading the knoppix iso image :-)    i tell you later whats going on  ...     thanks for help,  hector

Just a little note on my experience setting up FC6 x86_64. Although I did not have graphics problems, I did have similar internet problems through modem. I managed to get the modem working after about 5 tries (re-building Fedora from scratch) but was not happy having two desktops (gnome & kde), and it would slowly die. I kept an image of the heavy successful installation in-case I would not get a lighter install without gnome on-line, I had tried to play with removing and adding packages to get rid of gnome but was not able to log in. After about 100 tries re-building from scratch and allot of times just wiping the partition and re-loading an image of a fresh install, I finally noticed there were some possible key updates at Fedora's update site. For modem, irgbalance is crucial to which there was an update, I also updated the kernel to final update release, ppp,kudzu, and a couple other network related items I can't remember right now. All these I downloaded from another OS and applied them with rpm update command:  rpm -Uvh packagename  After applying those updates (and I believe the one that made the difference is one of those mentioned above but not ppp), I was able to get a successful solid internet connection on the first try every time, compared to 100 or so unsuccessful attempts with fresh install out of the box (so to speak).

BTW  As for the 865G chipset, shortly after it came out I stumbled on some discussions about it, possibly tomshardwareguide.com, where it received poor reviews in tests. Because of that imprint in my mind, I have returned a brand new laptop to Future Shop after finding out it had that chipset, Future Shop either could not or would not tell me which chipset it had before I bought it. I remember about a year or year and a half ago, a few people had the same problems with Linux distros and that chipset regarding display issues and looked for answers right here at LQ. If I remember correctly, there is a package of some sort that corrects it. Maybe Google can pull those discussions up. EDIT: maybe Intel's web site for the package EDIT: As for using knoppix, take a look what happen to this guy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=517892  PS: I'm not saying it is a bad chipset, I'm just saying it appears to be quirky.

junior hacker,  thanks for comments, i wonder if you remember where to find a driver for this chipset. I toke a look at the intel site, but there is nothing. The new chipset is 965G, so maybe the other one was discontinued.

hello ramram, here i am, posting with konkeror, knoppix 5.1.1  :-)  is a little bit slow, but it works ... when bootin no errors where reported and i saw that the intel 82865G chipset was detected.  the "Unknown device" message also appears>   lscpi -v  00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Inte rface (rev 02)         Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 2570         Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0         Memory at fe800000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4M]         Capabilities: <access denied>  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA])         Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 2572         Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18         Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]         Memory at ff280000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K]         I/O ports at ec00 [size=8]         Capabilities: <access denied>  please give me directions  ...  hector

Unfortunately I cannot add, this is just something I remember reading in a LQ thread long ago. The 965G is probably the latest or one of the latest mainstream chipsets Intel has available, it is also probably the most expensive and will generally only be found in high end systems or third party motherboards. Motherboard manufacturers including HP, Dell, etc. offer systems/motherboards in a wide range of prices. If you want to pay big bucks, you can possibly get the 965G chipset included, but if your more into an economical purchase, you will get an older chipset like the 865G. There are some pretty cheap systems out there with a target market pointed towards kids/students, these will have the older chipsets with poor performance reputations. Intel will sell any chipset they made in the past to manufacturers of motherboards for systems they'll put on the shelf today, there's that old cliche "you get what you pay for".  Don't quote me on this one, but I've read somewhere (possibly Intel's web site in the past), that if the name of the chipset includes a (v) such as 855GV, the (V) stands for "value", which means this chipset did'nt make the cut and will most likely be found in the "Value" priced systems.  When I was shopping for a laptop I already decided I wanted no less than the 915 chipset, the next generation had just been released, but the 915 had good reviews for a mainstream chipset and the next generation had no reviews yet. So I bought a Dell XPS Gen 2 laptop with the biggest Pentium M processor, WOW!. At the time, it was considered the top of the heap for a gaming and entertainment laptop according to Computer magazines and benchmark testing results/reviews.

hectorDUQUE, you can ignore the 'unknown device'. I don't think that has anything to do with it.  Probably what's happening is that the Fedora 6 kernel does not have the modules for your motherboard's chipset. Also the 64bit version may not have the driver but the 32bit will. Knoppix runs on 32bit. To prove this you may want to do a test-install of Fedora Core 6 i386 (32bit). If that works then you'll know that we can narrow it down to lack of the kernel module for your chipset in the 64bit Fedora 6 version.  Most importantly, run 'lsmod' and while running Knoppix and notice the modules that are loded by default. In there you may find the module for your chipset. Afterward if you can then also run 'lsmod' while running Fedora Core 6 and see if the modules match.  You can run the Fedora 6 32bit OS but you will not be taking full advantage of the 64bit registers. I found that there's very little difference unless you are running clusters or mega cpu intensive services. Actually I found some 64bit programs to run slower than the 32bit ones.  Ultimately, you may need to manually download and install the 64bit kernel modules for your chipset. Also try using the very latest kernel. Have you tried running Debian Etch? Knoppix is built from Debian so most probably it will work. But then you may loose the friendliness that the Fedora bloat offers.

hi junior hacker,  absoluttly!   it would be nice to have a 965 chipset, but i am afraid FC6 does not have support also for it :-(    any way, i don't think a solution is to change the hardware; i'll try for a while to get my old 865G working.    btw, what do you think about the ASRock mother board, is it a good one ?

hi ramram,  i saw a i915 and i810 modules>    knoppix@Knoppix:~$ lsmod  Module                  Size  Used by  i915                   23168  2  i810                   23552  0  drm                    78612  4 i915,i810  sworks_agp             13472  0  nvidia_agp             12316  0  ati_agp                13068  0  amd_k7_agp             12812  0  ali_agp                11136  0  dm_mod                 60440  0  ipv6                  279616  12  af_packet              29960  0  snd_cmipci             37536  1  snd_intel8x0           37020  1  gameport               19848  1 snd_cmipci  snd_ac97_codec         97188  1 snd_intel8x0  snd_opl3_lib           14208  1 snd_cmipci  snd_hwdep              13316  1 snd_opl3_lib  snd_ac97_bus            6528  1 snd_ac97_codec  snd_pcm_oss            45728  0  snd_mixer_oss          20224  1 snd_pcm_oss  snd_mpu401_uart        12672  1 snd_cmipci  snd_rawmidi            28064  1 snd_mpu401_uart  snd_seq_device         12044  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi  snd_pcm                80004  4 snd_cmipci,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss  8139too                31104  0  mii                     9728  1 8139too  snd_timer              26500  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_pcm  snd                    55396  16 snd_cmipci,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_mpu401_u  art,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer  8250_pnp               13440  0  8250_pci               24704  0  8250                   28164  2 8250_pnp,8250_pci  parport_pc             43492  0  shpchp                 41380  0  intel_agp              27420  1  parport                40008  1 parport_pc  serial_core            25216  1 8250  soundcore              12512  1 snd  pci_hotplug            36424  1 shpchp  agpgart                36044  8 drm,sworks_agp,nvidia_agp,ati_agp,amd_k7_agp,ali_agp,intel_agp  snd_page_alloc         13960  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm  i2c_i801               12044  0  tsdev                  11840  0  evdev                  14208  1  pcmcia                 41132  0  firmware_class         14208  1 pcmcia  yenta_socket           30220  0  rsrc_nonstatic         17408  1 yenta_socket  pcmcia_core            43800  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic  cpufreq_ondemand       12300  2  p4_clockmod            10116  0  speedstep_lib           8836  1 p4_clockmod  freq_table              9088  2 cpufreq_ondemand,p4_clockmod  video                  19460  0  thermal                17928  0  sbs                    18856  0  processor              36200  1 thermal  i2c_ec                  9216  1 sbs  i2c_core               25984  2 i2c_i801,i2c_ec  fan                     8836  0  container               8576  0  button                 10768  0  battery                14084  0  ac                      9348  0  aufs                   88244  1  cloop                  18208  1  sbp2                   28292  0  ohci1394               38960  0  ieee1394              300760  2 sbp2,ohci1394  usb_storage            73408  0  usbhid                 56928  0  ff_memless              9992  1 usbhid  libusual               20624  1 usb_storage  ohci_hcd               24580  0  uhci_hcd               27788  0  ehci_hcd               35848  0  usbcore               135812  7 usb_storage,usbhid,libusual,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd        i will try the FC6/32, but it will take a day to get a CD set.    whare can i find the latest 64 bit kernel modules for the 865G chipset? i can manually download and install them.     thanks for help.    ill try also to get a debian installation set.

Oh! I agree fully, as I mentioned, people have had the same problem and found a fix, it's just to bad none of those people have tripped on this thread yet.  As for the motherboard, never heard of it till now. If a person was thinking of building a system from scratch, he/she would probably study this area, I on the other hand, preffer to go with an OEM computer for the warranty. When I bought my laptop, I also bought the Dell XPS gen 5 desktop model (another high end unit), one morning I woke up to what some call "the blue screen of death". Dell has in house warranty and over the span of a week replaced pretty much every component before eventually changing the Pentium 4 650 processor, that's a costly catastrophy and that's why I go with warranty on the entire system. It was caused by a bad power spike. I bought an expensive surge protector as the warranty was near it's end.

hi guys, i finally got a FC6 32 bits CD's set, and IT WORKS!!!   :-) no problem in installation phase, no problem booting, and it looks (at the moment) it works fine (except for my sound card, which is not recognized :-(  but anyway, the 32 bits version solves the problem i had, but temporarily, because it doesn't take advantage of the 64 bit registers, so i have to update my FC6 64bit version.   may somebody tell me how to update the kernel modules for the 82865G chipset ? where can i find those modules ? how to be sure i have the latest kernel version ?  thanks "ranran" for help ...  hector


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